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		<title>Comment on Take 5: IKEA for Photographers by CS</title>
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		<dc:creator>CS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GREAT post - many thanks for taking the time to compile !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GREAT post &#8211; many thanks for taking the time to compile !</p>
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		<title>Comment on The €30,000 photography controversy by Darragh</title>
		<link>http://www.ronanpalliser.ie/blog/2012/02/16/the-30000-photography-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-13735</link>
		<dc:creator>Darragh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take your point ronan, and i was playing the Devil&#039;s Advocate/Joe Duffy role to a certain extent, but do you really think that in Ireland, a documentary photographer, employed by the Taoiseach and paid by the state would take (and if taken, be allowed to keep) any photographs which reflect badly on Enda?

The americans have this as a tradition, and it does seem from what you say that the position is somewhat removed from politics and the output is a &#039;warts and all&#039; view of presidential life.

To try and create that from where we are now, knowing what our political system is like, would be next to impossible. Government press office would have to have a say and to think you would get candid shots of Kenny and Noonan taking another flogging from the troika or whatever it might be is highly unlikely.

Maybe im overly sceptical, but i dont think the impartial photographer can happen in ireland. It just doesnt work that way. The best you might get from a candid perspective is under the 30 year rule or the FOI act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take your point ronan, and i was playing the Devil&#8217;s Advocate/Joe Duffy role to a certain extent, but do you really think that in Ireland, a documentary photographer, employed by the Taoiseach and paid by the state would take (and if taken, be allowed to keep) any photographs which reflect badly on Enda?</p>
<p>The americans have this as a tradition, and it does seem from what you say that the position is somewhat removed from politics and the output is a &#8216;warts and all&#8217; view of presidential life.</p>
<p>To try and create that from where we are now, knowing what our political system is like, would be next to impossible. Government press office would have to have a say and to think you would get candid shots of Kenny and Noonan taking another flogging from the troika or whatever it might be is highly unlikely.</p>
<p>Maybe im overly sceptical, but i dont think the impartial photographer can happen in ireland. It just doesnt work that way. The best you might get from a candid perspective is under the 30 year rule or the FOI act.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The €30,000 photography controversy by Ronan Palliser</title>
		<link>http://www.ronanpalliser.ie/blog/2012/02/16/the-30000-photography-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-13733</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronan Palliser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Darragh - the problem is that if you were there, you&#039;d have probably been looking at the screen too.  Or as advisor/assistant/helper/gopher you already have a job to do that isn&#039;t documenting the activities of the Taoiseach/President for historical purposes.  

Also yes I do imply that the photographer should be of a standard, and he/she should be there specifically for that role (which, I guess, makes him or her a professional).  The images from Souza are not images that just anyone would have taken.  Documentary photography isn&#039;t easy, and very very few excel at it. I certainly don&#039;t. Souza does. It&#039;s not easy because you need to anticipate things, react to things, understand a mood - all things that only come with years and years of experience. The photographer can use a smartphone or a Nikon D4 - that certainly is secondary - but the photographer&#039;s eye in this instance is, I would argue, hugely important.

Also a key point - Souza is an impartial observer. An assistant/advisor using his phone is biased.  In the case of the debt negotiations, an advisor might capture images at a time when negotiations are going the way that he agrees with.  An experienced documentary photographer doesn&#039;t bring his/her own bias to the images. They are honest accounts, as a historical record needs to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Darragh &#8211; the problem is that if you were there, you&#8217;d have probably been looking at the screen too.  Or as advisor/assistant/helper/gopher you already have a job to do that isn&#8217;t documenting the activities of the Taoiseach/President for historical purposes.  </p>
<p>Also yes I do imply that the photographer should be of a standard, and he/she should be there specifically for that role (which, I guess, makes him or her a professional).  The images from Souza are not images that just anyone would have taken.  Documentary photography isn&#8217;t easy, and very very few excel at it. I certainly don&#8217;t. Souza does. It&#8217;s not easy because you need to anticipate things, react to things, understand a mood &#8211; all things that only come with years and years of experience. The photographer can use a smartphone or a Nikon D4 &#8211; that certainly is secondary &#8211; but the photographer&#8217;s eye in this instance is, I would argue, hugely important.</p>
<p>Also a key point &#8211; Souza is an impartial observer. An assistant/advisor using his phone is biased.  In the case of the debt negotiations, an advisor might capture images at a time when negotiations are going the way that he agrees with.  An experienced documentary photographer doesn&#8217;t bring his/her own bias to the images. They are honest accounts, as a historical record needs to be.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The €30,000 photography controversy by Denis O'Donovan</title>
		<link>http://www.ronanpalliser.ie/blog/2012/02/16/the-30000-photography-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-13732</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis O'Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched the Pete Souza documentary recently and it was excellent. He is shooting up to 20k shots per month and is not allowed delete any of them. When the president steps down the whole collection goes to the National Archive - brilliant idea. This whole strom/teacup over the 30k spend is nothing but sound bites so the opposition can be seen to be &quot;doing something&quot;. 
I&#039;d agree with you that 30k is not a lot of money in the overall scheme of things and by not having a full time photographer we are losing an opportunity to document living history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched the Pete Souza documentary recently and it was excellent. He is shooting up to 20k shots per month and is not allowed delete any of them. When the president steps down the whole collection goes to the National Archive &#8211; brilliant idea. This whole strom/teacup over the 30k spend is nothing but sound bites so the opposition can be seen to be &#8220;doing something&#8221;.<br />
I&#8217;d agree with you that 30k is not a lot of money in the overall scheme of things and by not having a full time photographer we are losing an opportunity to document living history.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The €30,000 photography controversy by David Ferrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ferrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The press office have failed big time on this issue. Taking photographs is a vital part of recording a country&#039;s history as the images from Pete Souza prove.

There is of course a question of value for money and in the current climate most people will only see €30,000 and I suspect many will assume they were vanity shots. When the questions about this were (rightly) raised in the media, the press office should immediately have (A) provided further details and (B) released sample images.

Do the Irish Government have an equivalent to Pete Souza?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The press office have failed big time on this issue. Taking photographs is a vital part of recording a country&#8217;s history as the images from Pete Souza prove.</p>
<p>There is of course a question of value for money and in the current climate most people will only see €30,000 and I suspect many will assume they were vanity shots. When the questions about this were (rightly) raised in the media, the press office should immediately have (A) provided further details and (B) released sample images.</p>
<p>Do the Irish Government have an equivalent to Pete Souza?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The €30,000 photography controversy by Darragh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darragh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ronan,

The crux of your argument is that formal pictorial documentation of the life and times of the Taoiseach is something of great importance and shouldn’t be taken lightly. I agree. Where I disagree is your implication that this needs to be done by a professional photographer, you haven’t said so, but your implication is certainly that a photographer of merit needs to be on hand at all potentially important event to document the goings on. I don’t agree at all.

Take the ‘war room Bin Laden’ picture. Lets step into the parallel universe that we have never heard of Barack Obama, he remains an attorney in Chicago, and Hilary Clinton is a senior partner in the firm. The Cubs are in the world series, and the staff have crammed into the meeting room to watch the last few innings. John the trainee snapped the photo on his iphone. 

Plausable right?

The photo itself has no photographic merit, its not terribly well taken, without the subtext of who the characters are and in what context they are watching a television, its actually not a very good photo at all. Its plain. Its uninteresting. Why was Mr Souza needed to take it? I could have done it if I was there? Or Monica the intern?

The issue irish people have I imagine is that professional photographers are expensive, they take photographs based on composition, lighting, contrasts, and any one of a million other factors you blog about regularly that I don’t fully understand. They are not just reporters of fact. They are artists.

Enda Kenny is surrounded by advisors, assistants, helpers and gophers, and I imagine every one of them has a smart phone in their pocket. If we need someone to document what happens in Enda’s day to day job, these people are in perfect position to capture these photo’s in a realistic setting.

The equivalent of employing a professional photographer to do the mundane work of being on hand to take pictures of enda making phonecalls and chairing meetings, is the equivalent of employing Fintan O’Toole to write court notes and Seamus Heaney to write the Dail report. You are employing an artist to do the job of a handyman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronan,</p>
<p>The crux of your argument is that formal pictorial documentation of the life and times of the Taoiseach is something of great importance and shouldn’t be taken lightly. I agree. Where I disagree is your implication that this needs to be done by a professional photographer, you haven’t said so, but your implication is certainly that a photographer of merit needs to be on hand at all potentially important event to document the goings on. I don’t agree at all.</p>
<p>Take the ‘war room Bin Laden’ picture. Lets step into the parallel universe that we have never heard of Barack Obama, he remains an attorney in Chicago, and Hilary Clinton is a senior partner in the firm. The Cubs are in the world series, and the staff have crammed into the meeting room to watch the last few innings. John the trainee snapped the photo on his iphone. </p>
<p>Plausable right?</p>
<p>The photo itself has no photographic merit, its not terribly well taken, without the subtext of who the characters are and in what context they are watching a television, its actually not a very good photo at all. Its plain. Its uninteresting. Why was Mr Souza needed to take it? I could have done it if I was there? Or Monica the intern?</p>
<p>The issue irish people have I imagine is that professional photographers are expensive, they take photographs based on composition, lighting, contrasts, and any one of a million other factors you blog about regularly that I don’t fully understand. They are not just reporters of fact. They are artists.</p>
<p>Enda Kenny is surrounded by advisors, assistants, helpers and gophers, and I imagine every one of them has a smart phone in their pocket. If we need someone to document what happens in Enda’s day to day job, these people are in perfect position to capture these photo’s in a realistic setting.</p>
<p>The equivalent of employing a professional photographer to do the mundane work of being on hand to take pictures of enda making phonecalls and chairing meetings, is the equivalent of employing Fintan O’Toole to write court notes and Seamus Heaney to write the Dail report. You are employing an artist to do the job of a handyman.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The €30,000 photography controversy by Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree completely, this has nothing to do with the photography per se but the bad handling by the government and ultimately the complete lack of transparency in how photography is used by our government.  Super analysis.

You should probably get this link out to some of the political classes on twitter too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely, this has nothing to do with the photography per se but the bad handling by the government and ultimately the complete lack of transparency in how photography is used by our government.  Super analysis.</p>
<p>You should probably get this link out to some of the political classes on twitter too!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Finding Hipstamatic again by Jamie Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://www.ronanpalliser.ie/blog/2012/02/14/finding-hipstamatic-again/comment-page-1/#comment-13560</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What turned me off Hipstamatic was that I had to use the app to taken the photo and it was incredibly slow and unpredictable. Typically I just use the Camera app because it&#039;s quick and I can fire off a few shots to make sure I get what I&#039;m happy with. I typically just use Instagram to process them and upload them and it&#039;s usually because I want to share what/where/who. If you&#039;re looking for a closed version of Instagram, then perhaps Path fits the bill (you invite the people you want to share with)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What turned me off Hipstamatic was that I had to use the app to taken the photo and it was incredibly slow and unpredictable. Typically I just use the Camera app because it&#8217;s quick and I can fire off a few shots to make sure I get what I&#8217;m happy with. I typically just use Instagram to process them and upload them and it&#8217;s usually because I want to share what/where/who. If you&#8217;re looking for a closed version of Instagram, then perhaps Path fits the bill (you invite the people you want to share with)</p>
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		<title>Comment on C is for&#8230; Composition by Michael Carroll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another great article there Ronan and like Patrick I find that the images and accompanying text will help the reader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great article there Ronan and like Patrick I find that the images and accompanying text will help the reader.</p>
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		<title>Comment on C is for&#8230; Composition by Patrick Dinneen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Dinneen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some really great photos in there (bananas, rollercoaster).
What makes the article for me is that you&#039;ve included loads of examples/images, which helps people to visualise what you&#039;re talking about.
Pa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some really great photos in there (bananas, rollercoaster).<br />
What makes the article for me is that you&#8217;ve included loads of examples/images, which helps people to visualise what you&#8217;re talking about.<br />
Pa.</p>
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